Day 12: RSS and Atom

April 30, 2005

In the beginning there was email, and it was good. But no one had any idea how much of it you would get. Or all the spam. Then there were email lists, but the spam filters caught them. Or they got harvested for more spam. Or they were mostly junk.

Next came the web, and it was good too. But no one had any idea how many of those there were going to be either. How do you keep up with them all? Bookmarks? Of course we love our old reliable bookmarks, but then what do you do? Keep checking them all day long? Some browsers even tried to develop a feature that would check to see if a page had updated since you checked it last. But that was fraught with problems, especially since many pages may have some sort of change but not the kind of changes you wanted.

Enter RSS and Atom, which Opera refers to collectively as “Newsfeeds” or “Feeds” for short. See, now you know it’s love when you start handing out nicknames, don’t you, snookums?

What are Newsfeeds?

RSS stands for “Really Simple Syndication” or “RDF Site Summary” depending on who you ask. (There’s nothing really all that “simple” about RSS since there are at least 9 variations of RSS out there. But that’s another article on another website.) The difference between RSS and Atom, for our purposes here, isn’t all that important either. In fact I’m just going to use “RSS” from here on out even though I mean both.

What do you need to know about Newsfeeds and Opera?

When Opera recognizes that a site has an RSS feed, you will see this [rss icon] in the addressbar. That tells you that the site offers either RSS or Atom or both. If the site offers more than one, you will see a dropdown list like this:

[screenshot of Opera offering selection of 3 newsfeeds]

When you choose one (or if there is only one type available), you will see a prompt like this:

[screenshot of Opera asking for user confirmation of newsfeed subscription]

If you agree, Opera will add a “Feeds” menu at the top:

[screenshot of Opera menu before Feeds are added]
Before

[screenshot of menus after feeds are added] After

Now if, and only if, you have previously setup an email account in M2, you will also see an entry for “Newsfeeds” in the Mail panel. Even if you never plan to use Opera for email, I highly recommend setting up a dummy account in M2 in order to enable the Mail panel, which I find to be a much easier way to manage Feeds than the Feeds menu.

How to create a “dummy” mail account in M2 (skip this if you are already using M2):
Goto Preferences > Advanced > Programs. Change “Email application” to “Use Opera”. Click “Manage Accounts” then “New” then “POP3” and fill in nonsense values. When you finish, get back to the “Manage Accounts”, select the nonsense account, click “Edit” and then click on the “Incoming” tab, and uncheck all of the boxes, especially the “Check for new messages” and “Include this account when checking manually” boxes. That will be enough to trigger the Mail panel.

[ Screenshot of View > Show > Show newsfeeds ] Tip: If you are only using M2 for RSS, I have two more suggestions to make. First, click on “Received” under “All Messages” and then over in the right hand window click on the View icon (eyeglasses), then choose “Show” and make sure that “Show Newsfeeds” is checked. You may also wish to do the same for “Unread” if you want unread RSS items to appear in the count in the Mail icon in the list of panels.

Now as you surf around you can keep track of sites that you like by following their Newsfeeds, and be notified when they are updated.

So you’re wondering, you’re anxious, you’re downright itching to get started signing up for feeds. Aren’t you? I can see it in your eyes already. Well fear not, I’ll end the day with a list of feeds that you might want to sign up for.

tntluoma.com
My personal website, where I post on a wide variety of topics ranging from technology to personal to, well… whatever strikes my fancy
Opera8 Lover
This website. Get informed of additional entries as they become available.
Opera’s Press Releases
News of Opera around the web and around the world

All of the journals at my.opera.com have RSS feeds. Here are some suggested journals (note that those links lead to the actual journals not the RSS feeds, just to give you a chance to read what’s there):

Happy browsing! May the feeds be with you!

  • New Comer

    How do I backup my RSS feeds in case I format my drive, obviously I cannot visit all the sites and signup for the feeds manually, please advise...


    ((TjL adds: I believe that information is saved in one of the .ini inside your profile directory.))

  • Ruth

    I have just upgraded from Opera7 to Opera8, and I found initially that the RSS link in the addressbar does not appear.


    It turns out that this is related to email preferences I had set up in Opera7 - since I don't use the mail application, I had previously disabled the "Show e-mail account". As described in the comments on Day 11 by Peter Karlsson, this setting has been removed from Opera8 and needs to be changed in opera6.ini.


    I'm not sure why the RSS feeds are linked to this setting in this way, but changing it in the opera6.ini file has solved the problem. I hope this helps anyone else having problems.

  • Doug

    I signed up for some feeds and when I clicked on "Feeds" in the toolbar, it wold show "Read feeds", "Manage feeds..." and the list of feeds.


    I signed up for a few more feeds and now it doesn't list the feeds. It just says "Read feeds" and "Manage feeds...".


    How do I switch it back? I'm not sure what I did. :(

  • Carlos Dominguez

    I would love to see a Safari-type RSS-reader in Opera.

  • Rus

    I'm not sure what's happened here, but after enabling a feed from this very page (naturally), which was my first one, I never got a Feeds menu added. (I do however have Mail and Chat menus, which you don't seem to have, so presumably there is a way of customising this. I may have already done so, but if so then it was way back when and by now I've completely forgotten how.)


    Another minor point, after receiving my brand spanking new 30 Days feed, I couldn't find them in my mail folder at first. Perhaps adding something to the effect of "Ensure that Mail --> Show Account" is set to 'All Accounts' to view your feeds" would be useful (mine was set to just "Mail Accounts") - although if some users haven't got the Mail menu then I don't know how to get there...


    I'd just like to clarify that I'm a little confused in general on this subject, so if anything I've mentioned here has been covered above and I just haven't recognised it, then I apologise for talking rubbish.


    Yours uncertainly,


    -Rus

  • LG

    Is there any way to organize opera feeds in folders? and a way to update all the feeds at once?


    {{LG: I believe the answer to both questions is "No" but I hope there will be in the future -- TjL}}

  • notreuben

    i agree, firefox rss feed opening up in bookmarks is much better than the opera integration of it with their mail feature

  • Rueben

    I'm sorry but I have to agree with Constantine. I was attracted to Opera because it has moderate memory use compared to Firefox. However, when importing bookmarks I found I was unable to transfer feeds. Firefox has very simple integration of feeds. Icons representing different feeds on my toolbar would change when they were updated. I could pull-down the menu and open up the page if I chose.


    The email setup doesn't make sense to me... I want to look up and see any update without going there.

  • Tip: If you are only using M2 for RSS, I have two more suggestions to make. First, click on “Received” under “All Messages” and then over in the right hand window click on the View icon (eyeglasses), then choose “Show” and make sure that “Show Newsfeeds” is checked.


    Isn't this the same as clicking 'Read Feeds' under the 'Feeds' menu?

  • TreeGo

    Not sure what you're talking about Constantine ... I think it very intuitive for RSS feeds to appear as mail messages.


    When I click on an RSS feed, I am taken to a RSS feed window with a summary usually of the article referenced with the link easily displayed for clicking on to see the full article.


    It integrates wonderfully with the Opera Suite.


    I have tried the RSS add-on/extension for Mozilla, SharpReader, Maxthon's RSS newsfeed reader, Firefox's RSS, Firefox's Sage extension, and finally the web's offering of Bloglines.


    I'll take Opera over 'em all. It works wonderfully and elegantly, I think.


    It is nice to be able to forward newsfeeds so easily to my contacts when interesting/relevant artictles arise.

  • Steve

    I find Opera's RSS reader satisfactory, and I use it purely because I don't want to have to run another application, and opera is always open on my PC. However its only barely satisfactory, and could be improved by leaps and bounds.


    I would like to see the ability to style the feeds via css or xslt or something.

  • Jan: Which you choose is pretty much a matter of preference: RSS 1.0 and RSS 2.0 feeds tend to be "summary only", while the Atom feeds most often contain full entries.


    Constantine: Opera does fetch channel icons (or favicons where available).


    As for the interface assessment: The tight integration with the mail/usenet client M2 is one of the primary reasons for me to use Opera's feed reader: I simply wouldn't be able to keep on top in any other client -- when you have several thousand messages every day, be they mail, Usenet or newsfeeds, having them them all appear in one integrated client with excellent searching and sorting capabilities is a real lifesaver.

  • Hi, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind submitting your RSS feed to Opera Blogs: http://my.opera.com/community/takeaction/blogs/


    I know it's not quite as prestigious as the front page of MyOpera, but I think we'd appreciate your presence. I know yours isn't technically a blog, but you have an rss feed, and you're using MT, so I'm just saying, why not?


    {{Done -- TjL}}

  • Constantine

    Opera's RSS client is too weak.


    It [M2] tends to use the same interface for the mail and the RSS, which is nonsence.


    So, if you double-click an item, Opera will open the page with the rss and not the page which is linked.


    And there's no "advanced" RSS features like channel icon.


    RSS is the most underlooked feature in Opera 8 release.

  • Tapani Kuusisto

    "Even if you never plan to use Opera, I highly recommend setting up a dummy account in M2..."


    That probably should be something like "...to use the RSS reader in Opera..." to make any sense?


    {{fixed, thanks!}}

  • Jan

    Ok Timothy,


    and now, if you have all the three options available like on your pages (RSS1,2 or Atom), which one should I select, which is the preferable one?


    thnks

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