Opera vs Mozilla

August 26, 2003

Is Mozilla’s browser better than Opera? Well, let’s compare what they consider to be Mozilla Firebird’s biggest features:

comprehensive popup controls to keep unwanted advertising off your desktop

Yup, Opera can do that, and Opera makes it much easier to turn popups on and off. Just press F12 (which also gets you to a lot of other options as well).

a tab browsing mode that lets you open several pages in a single window, allowing you to load links in the background without leaving the page you’re on

Yeah, Opera can do that, and could do it long before anyone else. Opera also makes it easy to make sure that all of your pages show up in a single window.

integrated Google search

Opera beats every other browser in the world on integrated searching. We’ve got Google, Amazon.com, Google Groups, eBay, Lycos, AllTheWeb, Download.com, SearchBoss, Images, Videos, MP3s, News, and Opera Support… and you can add your own if you want to.

industry leading accessibility with Find As You Type – find links and page text by simply typing

Opera has “Inline Find” which is a progressive find feature. You will find it throughout Opera. They aren’t the same thing exactly, but they are close. Find As You Type sounds like a useful feature, except that I don’t often know what letters or words will be linked and which won’t be. Spatial Navigation, however, will let me jump through the links on the page with ease, and much easier than any other browser (we’ll talk more about Spatial Navigation another day).

simplified privacy controls that let you cover your tracks more effectively

More effectively than Internet Explorer, yes. More effectively than Opera? No. Mozilla’s privacy controls include History, Saved Form Information, Saved Passwords, Download Manager History, Cookies, and Cache. Opera can do all that, and will let you delete any or all from one screen, like this:

[Screenshot of Opera's Delete Private Data panel]

Plus Opera gives you a great deal of control over what information is given away in the first place, including referrer logging and automatic redirection.

a streamlined browser window that lets you see more of the page than any other browser while at the same time being more configurable

Is this true? Well again, if they are comparing against Internet Explorer, then yes. But they are comparing themselves against “any other browser” and I think they are wrong. But I’ll let you be the judge.

Here are two screenshots, one of Mozilla and one of Opera. Both are viewing the same page. Both are 640 by 480 pixels with the minimum number of toolbars visible, with the default settings for font sizes, etc.

[Opera Screenshot]
[Mozilla Screenshot]

You can see that Opera shows every bit (no pun intended) as much as Mozilla, and actually a little more (compare the bottom right of each screenshot). And in Opera you can press Control + F11 and make even the main menu (file/edit/view/etc) disappear.

Ok, well what about the claim of being more configurable? Again, compared to Internet Explorer, they are definitely right. Compared to Opera? Not even close. Again, don’t take my word for it, compare for yourself.

Here are your options in Mozilla [Note: there is one icon hidden, which is “Paste”] I count 13 options for configuration:

[Mozilla customize toolbar panel]

Now compare that to the options you have with Opera:
[Opera Customize Screenshot #1]
[Opera Customize Screenshot #2]

If I have counted correctly (there are so many I may have lost count!) there are 18 search options and 11 general options on the first screen, and 48 options on the second screen. Opera actually has another panel of options, large icons, which I didn’t even bother to show because they are mostly the same as the small ones… However, this shows clearly that Opera gives you more options than Mozilla.

Still not convinced? Don’t forget that in addition to what I have already mentioned, every toolbar in Opera is completely customizable (using drag and drop), meaning that you can take any of those fields onto any of the toolbars. Opera will also let you edit menus, keyboard commands, and mouse settings by editing plain text files.

a large variety of free downloadable extensions and themes that add specific functionality and visual changes to the browser;

Currently there are 99 extensions for Mozilla Firebird. The claim is that these extensions allow Mozilla Firebird to stay small and unbloated. Compared to Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firebird is small and unbloated. However, just so we are clear, Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 is 6.8 megabytes for Windows (9.2 megabytes for Linux, and 11 megabytes for Mac).

Opera 7.2 is 3.3 megabytes. That is less than half the size of Mozilla Firebird — and Opera also includes a top-notch mail program. (If you want a mail/news program from Mozilla, prepare for another 8.9 megabytes for Windows, 9.2 for Linux, and 10.6 for Mac.)

I haven’t examined all of the extensions, and many of them look very cool, but several of them duplicate functionality which Opera has built-in, including Mouse Gestures, which Opera had long before any other web browser. There’s also Close Other Tabs, Kiosk Mode, Alternate Stylesheet Switcher, User Agent Switcher, and several others to add the same functionality you get from Opera out of the box on a much smaller download.

Like I said, a lot of them look cool, but many of them are either trivial, or aren’t likely to be used by many people, or have nothing to do with web browsing (such as MineSweeper).

As for themes, Opera has plenty of those too. In fact there are currently 177 Opera Skins available. Opera7 has a new one-click download & install feature for skins as well, so you can quickly change the skin you’re in (we’ll talk about that more another day).

At the end of the day, Mozilla and Opera are both great browsers. They are both operating on an entirely different level than Internet Explorer. On a scale of 0 to 10 (where Internet Explorer is clearly a zero), I’d give Mozilla a 7 or 8 and Opera a 9.

  • Kim

    “A note to remember: Opera is at version 7, firebird is at 0.7”.

    You can’t compare versions that way. Firebird is basically just a window and a toolbar with the browser engine that was made for Mozilla, based on code donated and supported by Netscape!

  • ShadowKnight

    Yup, Opera can do that, and Opera makes it much easier to turn popups on and off. Just press F12 (which also gets you to a lot of other options as well).

    :: It’s much easier to turn popup blocking on and off with Opera - but then again, that’s because Opera doesn’t give you the option of telling it which sites that you want popups to open on. Firefox does. Enter the URL of the site you want to whitelist, and voila! No turning popup blocking on and off constantly when you surf from site to site. ::

    Yeah, Opera can do that, and could do it long before anyone else. Opera also makes it easy to make sure that all of your pages show up in a single window.

    :: While Opera offers tabbed browsing, Firefox offers tabbed browsing AND Tabbrowser Extensions. For an extra 300kB (less than a minute to download even on dial-up, folks), Firefox suddenly gains the ability to do all sorts of neat tricks with its tabs - automatic DDE support, open in new window / tab by click type, progress meters in tabs, resizing tabs, automatic focus shift, a customizable right-click context menu - you name it. Firefox’s functions to save and recall tabgroups is less messy than Opera’s as well. Opera doesn’t even come close. ::

    Opera beats every other browser in the world on integrated searching. Weve got Google, Amazon.com, Google Groups, eBay, Lycos, AllTheWeb, Download.com, SearchBoss, Images, Videos, MP3s, News, and Opera Support… and you can add your own if you want to.

    :: Same here with Firefox - at least the part about users adding in their own searches. Extensions and plugins are being developed by fans that enable Firefox to perform a wide variety of searches from its main window as well. They’re not much right now, but heck, Opera’s been around a whole lot longer than Firefox has. Give it time. ;) ::

    Is this true? Well again, if they are comparing against Internet Explorer, then yes. But they are comparing themselves against any other browser and I think they are wrong. But Ill let you be the judge. Here are two screenshots, one of Mozilla and one of Opera. Both are viewing the same page. Both are 640 by 480 pixels with the minimum number of toolbars visible, with the default settings for font sizes, etc.

    :: Now that’s just not right. Generally speaking, I’m an average Joe Schmoe. I don’t disable every visual element and shortcut in my browser window when I surf, and I assume no ordinary person does either. I’ll want my toolbars, my menus, my links, and perhaps a few shortcuts here and there. I’ll want to see tabs when browsing. And, in general day-to-day usage, Opera is beat in the display size department. Among others, there’s that damnable ad in Opera that won’t go away unless you pay, which hogs valuable screen space even if I set the toolbar size to as small as possible. Technically, Opera and Firefox are equal in the display size department, as you’ve pointed out - but in practice, that’s simply not the case. ::

    If I have counted correctly (there are so many I may have lost count!) there are 18 search options and 11 general options on the first screen, and 48 options on the second screen. Opera actually has another panel of options, large icons, which I didnt even bother to show because they are mostly the same as the small ones… However, this shows clearly that Opera gives you more options than Mozilla.

    :: Score a point for Opera here. This isn’t a big issue for me, though, seeing as how I’d rather use the keyboard shortcuts rather than the toolbar at times. To be fair, a large number of the toolbar options in Opera are related to its mail client (which Firefox does not have by default), so I’d say it’s a rather moot point. ::

    Opera 7.2 is 3.3 megabytes. That is less than half the size of Mozilla Firebird and Opera also includes a top-notch mail program. (If you want a mail/news program from Mozilla, prepare for another 8.9 megabytes for Windows, 9.2 for Linux, and 10.6 for Mac.)

    :: Point 2 for Opera. ^^ Still, frankly speaking - download size isn’t much of a concern to be, seeing as how it’s not likely to affect my daily browsing once I get the program downloaded. If Firefox suffers from slower speed due to its file size, I guess I’d sit up and take notice - but as it is, that’s hardly the case, and the extra megabytes is well worth the extra functionality I get in Firefox. ::

    So why Firefox over Opera? Simple, really - Firefox is superior in functionality in almost every aspect, and I can’t say I’m too much into the “let’s-demand-webmasters-to-comply-to-our-browser-instead-of-the-other-way-round” way of thinking. There have been sites which work incorrectly in Opera but not in Firefox (Yahoo! Mail, for one), but I’ve yet to see a site that works in Opera but not in Firefox. Extensions are cool - there’s Adblock, for one. It doesn’t get any cooler than being able to automatically nuke any graphic element on the page, Flash ads included. ;)

  • http://tntluoma.com/ TjL

    Ok, before I close comments here (we’re not covering any new ground), I’ll say this:

    1) Opera 7.5 is going to have a much smaller ad bar.

    2) Let’s not kid ourselves, if websites coded to the standards, it would be easier for everyone

    3) As long as Mozilla group keeps comparing themselves to Opera’s standard setup, you can’t talk about extensions as being a feature.

    4) Opera’s options even without the mail ones, are still more than Firefox’s — and the claim was that Firefox is more customizable. So you want us to ignore the mail customizations when Opera includes a mail client, but you want to include Extensions for Firefox? I don’t think so.

    5) Firefox claims to have more space for the content of the window. Well, are you talking about default configuration? If so that means no Extensions here, we’re going to compare apples to apples. If we are going to let someone configure their client, well, Opera will let them put everything they want on one toolbar (without needing an Extension, or having to learn XUL). And if they want to maximize space, F11 is always there.

    Now, if you want to say that this is a ridiculous claim that doesn’t have anything to do with reality, I’ll agree with you, but Firefox is making claims that aren’t true — or only true if you do things the want they want you to do it (i.e. “When we talk about Feature A we are talking about default configurations, but when we talk about Feature B we want to include Extensions.” That’s not legit.

    Extensions may be cool, but they may also break and conflict with one another.

    Oh, and any site that relies on generated content will work in Opera and nore Firefox.

    6) If you want to use the keyboard shortcuts rather than the toolbar, you’re in luck. Opera will let you change the keyboard commands through the UI, and will let you define your own for search engines as well.

    Ok, well, we’ve had 6 months to each say our peace, so comments will be closed today. Thanks to all who participated.

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