Comments on: Perils of Sermon Preparation http://tntluoma.com/unedited/perils-of-sermon-preparation/ Stuff I've Written Down Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:52:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tim http://tntluoma.com/unedited/perils-of-sermon-preparation/comment-page-1/#comment-1127 Tim Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:02:57 +0000 http://tntluoma.com/?p=366#comment-1127 <p>I don't know about tenses, but I can tell if he was working on this on th 3rd (Tuesday) that he probably hasn't given the sermon yet (unless his church worships on a day either Monday or Tuesday or early on Wednesday).</p> <p>Actually, I love the NRSV and was interested that perhaps on such an important verse (of course, aren't they <em>all</em> important?), it may have been so far off.</p> <p>Additionally, I suppose I just want to say thanks for bringing me back to the (Opera) fold. I had tried Firebird and thought I was going there, when I happened across your journal of an Opera lover. It turned me on to several things I thought had been missing and made me try it again. Haven't looked back since (esp. since the 7.2x releases, the bugs/lockups/etc. are pretty much gone).</p> <p>Tim</p> I don’t know about tenses, but I can tell if he was working on this on th 3rd (Tuesday) that he probably hasn’t given the sermon yet (unless his church worships on a day either Monday or Tuesday or early on Wednesday).

Actually, I love the NRSV and was interested that perhaps on such an important verse (of course, aren’t they all important?), it may have been so far off.

Additionally, I suppose I just want to say thanks for bringing me back to the (Opera) fold. I had tried Firebird and thought I was going there, when I happened across your journal of an Opera lover. It turned me on to several things I thought had been missing and made me try it again. Haven’t looked back since (esp. since the 7.2x releases, the bugs/lockups/etc. are pretty much gone).

Tim

]]> By: AKMA http://tntluoma.com/unedited/perils-of-sermon-preparation/comment-page-1/#comment-1126 AKMA Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:37:26 +0000 http://tntluoma.com/?p=366#comment-1126 <p>Uh, Tim? The present passive of SWZW would very appropriately be rendered “y’all are being saved.” Not only is the NRSV not “completely wrong,” it seems pretty nearly an exact reproduction in English of the Greek sense.</p> <p>If you’re working with a “time” theory of Greek verbs, it’s present time (“y’all are saved”). If you advocate an aspect theory of Greek tenses, it’s imperfective aspect (action viewed as a process) not marked for time (can be present, past, or future depending on temporal deixis). That would be. . . “y’all are being saved.”</p> <p>I’m sure that the sermon was good, though.</p> Uh, Tim? The present passive of SWZW would very appropriately be rendered “y’all are being saved.” Not only is the NRSV not “completely wrong,” it seems pretty nearly an exact reproduction in English of the Greek sense.

If you’re working with a “time” theory of Greek verbs, it’s present time (“y’all are saved”). If you advocate an aspect theory of Greek tenses, it’s imperfective aspect (action viewed as a process) not marked for time (can be present, past, or future depending on temporal deixis). That would be… “y’all are being saved.”

I’m sure that the sermon was good, though.

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